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“WE SAY We Are Biblical and Obeyed The Law Ya’ All. Now be Gone”

This is the copy of the portion of the minutes of March 13, 2015 remarks to the BJU faculty/Staff meeting.BJU F-S minutes March 13 2015

Click on each image to embiggenSteve Pettit Remarks GRACE Report March 2013-2

Steve Pettit Remarks GRACE Report March 2013-3

Steve Pettit Remarks GRACE Report March 2013-4

NOTE: In December 2014, Greenville County, SC Solicitor Walt Wilkins opened an investigation into the way Bob Jones University handled sexual abuse reports from students to see if state law was broken or obstruction of justice occurred.

Greenville Police Detective Collis Flavell is currently investigating these allegations. If you or someone you know has any information please contact Detective Flavell.  Detective Flavell can be reached by calling 864-271-5333 or by email at cflavell@greenvillesc.gov

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5 thoughts on ““WE SAY We Are Biblical and Obeyed The Law Ya’ All. Now be Gone”

  1. Dr. Pettit is saying GRACE recommendations told BJU to break the law? And that those sneaky GRACE people mislead Jim Berg?

    Anyone else smell BS?

  2. Cathy you have suffered in horrific ways. For that I am truly sorry.

    However, I do not understand the seeming automatic accusation that BJU Biblical Counselors such as Jim Berg and Gregg Mazak blame the victim for their suffering because the Biblical Counselors ask the victim to be responsible for her own actions? Isn’t the best way to deal with victims is to also support them through morality? Should it be the goal of good counseling a process to help walk a individual work through sorting out feelings of guilt to decide if there was truly any sin committed to deserve the guilt, and then deal with it – seek forgiveness and move on in Victory?

    Some girls and women do lead men astray in their dress style. I am a current undergraduate Bob Jones University preacher boy. I can unequivocally state that some female students purposely dress in a way to draw the attention and interest of the guys on campus. Even when dating, some females would dress that way for their boyfriends. They flaunt their sexuality and also enjoy the attention they receive. Even if they are dressed provocatively (according to BJU standards) that does not condone the sin of rape or sexual assault.

    All of this having been said, allow me to be clear, I an not suggesting that you did this or that any of the GRACE abuse victims were doing that. Nor am I suggesting that dressing provocatively gives men the right to molest or to rape anyone, but am also saying the girl or woman has some responsibility to avoid putting herself in such a position.

    • Young man … first, I would like to know what prompted you to seek out this blog (and this article in particular) and comment. It just seems odd that a young BJU preacher-boy student would willingly subject his mind to the kind of things discussed here. I’m not sure how you could overcome the possible temptations to sins such as anger, judgement, lust, etc. given the words so many have written here given your propensity to let a girl’s smile engage your hormones to the point where she’s “asking for attention” even if in some minimal way. It just seem so odd, yet I suspect that you, like so many before you, have been encouraged to take shots at Cathy and other victims the way you did. Don’t worry – we’ve seen all that before and we’re well equipped (and educated) to handle you. That is, if your spirit is truly a teachable one.

      First, how ironic that your comment shows up on Easter. This is a day that we celebrate the Life and Love that God’s story points us to in the Resurrection. It’s a freedom you’ve doubtless never really experienced in your bubble world because, for the Fundamentalist crowd, to be free is to give the chance to sin. It’s a loss of control and that control is all that keeps the “leadership” in their positions of power.

      Mr. Berg is one of those who lorded his power over others. Mr. Mazak does the same thing based on the same flawed thinking, all of which they paint as “Biblical”. But it isn’t, if you every take the time to actually read the entirety of God’s Story to us. And it is just that – one continuous story of a divine and sublime rescue and restoration – rather than collections of verses and man-enhanced doctrines and so on.

      That’s where your teachers miss the entire point. Your Bible is primarily a handbook for the care and feeding of people on Earth meant to keep them out of trouble and in line. My Bible (and I’d assert this is the REAL one) is an overarching story of a God who created a being with choice, let that being rebel, and planned a redemptive love story all along. You see, what we’ve just celebrated this weekend was chosen by God before the very foundations of the earth. It wasn’t some reactionary plan at all … it was the way God always intended to show us the depth of his Love!

      Now, back to your points (which another commenter so adeptly covered), I sense you are aching from your own struggles and are projecting that into your responses. You’ve been sold the “angry God” theory so long that you’ve come to believe it. Why else would you struggle so much with your lust and feel the need to subject yourself to the abject garbage Berg, Mazak, and the rest spew under the umbrella of “Biblical counseling”? Those men – and they are just men, not the demi-gods they seem to be – only know how to control you. They know nothing of Grace or Mercy even though they at times use those words.

      The bottom line is that the hyper-judgementalism pervasive at BJU and elsewhere exists out of fear and attempts to control. And to perpetuate that you need to 1) blame the victims at least in part (even 3-year-old girls) and 2) protect those being groomed as “leaders” who will keep the machine fueled and rolling.

      Open your mind and heart to the true God, son … you’ll see he’s the one who is always protecting you and he doesn’t need a fence with barbed wire on top of it. He’s enough – always has been. Too bad you are blinded by lies told by men who should know better.

      Mark

  3. Oh boy. So many problems in this comment:

    “However, I do not understand the seeming automatic accusation that BJU Biblical Counselors such as Jim Berg and Gregg Mazak blame the victim for their suffering because the Biblical Counselors ask the victim to be responsible for her own actions? Isn’t the best way to deal with victims is to also support them through morality? Should it be the goal of good counseling a process to help walk a individual work through sorting out feelings of guilt to decide if there was truly any sin committed to deserve the guilt, and then deal with it – seek forgiveness and move on in Victory?”

    First, while BJU uses the Bible in its counseling, it is not the only way to use the Bible in counseling, and the way BJU “counsels”isn’t really Biblical.

    There are many ways to counsel as a Christian. Walking with someone through trials and growth spurts, mourning with those who mourn, encouraging the weak. Yet BJU chooses a particular form called “nouthetic” counseling. Admonishment. Assuming the problem is the result of the sufferer’s sin. Wrong. Living on a fallen world will bring with it problems not caused by someone’s personal sin. Yet starting with that assumption places blame where it may not need to go. And seriously, if you think a three-year-old is capable of committing a sin that deserves kidnapping and torture as a result, your theology is a wreck.

    “Some girls and women do lead men astray in their dress style. I am a current undergraduate Bob Jones University preacher boy. I can unequivocally state that some female students purposely dress in a way to draw the attention and interest of the guys on campus. Even when dating, some females would dress that way for their boyfriends. They flaunt their sexuality and also enjoy the attention they receive. Even if they are dressed provocatively (according to BJU standards) that does not condone the sin of rape or sexual assault.”

    Second, your theology of women is completely not based in reality. A woman cannot lead a man to do much of anything. Women are physically shorter and have less physical strength. We also generally still have lower status in society. No matter what she is wearing, the man always has a choice. She can be in a mini, and you can walk away. She can be in a burqa, and you can still rape her.

    Also, if God didn’t buy Adam’s whine blaming Eve in the Garden, but made him responsible for his own sin, then you can be held accountable for your own actions as well.

    Also, this assumption that women always dress to get men’s attention is bull. We wear some things for our own comfort. BJU is an odd place because women have this impossible double-bind of modesty and male attraction they have to deal with. Too modest, and no future husband will look your way. Too attractive, and the chaperones will find something wrong with the outfit. Women cannot win there. BTW, “provocative” by BJU standards is still “prude” anywhere else.

    One more thing: This blog was written by a person who was assaulted at age THREE. Anyone who gets aroused by someone that young is a PERVERT. Even then, the problem of Fundamentalist men sexually abusing young girls is an enormous problem. I’ve heard time and time and time again of IFB ministers abusing underage girls (usually on a weekly basis), but I haven’t heard of one having illict relations with an adult for years. What is in your theology that is allowing your brothers in the pulpits and on the bus routes to rape children so freely?

    So… your theology is an epic fail. It looks for sins where there isn’t one, it insults and overly sexualizes half of the population, and it sexualizes children whose bodies won’t be ready for sex for years. No. No. NO!

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